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Brushless motor systems in the E-Maxx (and other RC cars) Frequently Asked Questions
- What is a
brushless motor?
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Can I run a brushless
motor on my current ESC?
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Can I run 2
brushless motors on one brushless ESC?
- Do
you run two motors in the E-Maxx?
- How
much does going brushless cost?
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What speeds can you get with
brushless?
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How does the run-time
compare to stock?
- Is there good
torque?
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Is there a special type for
the RC car?
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What brands of brushless
motors are there?
- Who makes
the best system?
- Where
do I buy brushless systems?
- How many
cells do you run?
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What does the number of "turns" affect?
- Does my
gearing have to change?
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What
is the difference between sensored and sensorless systems?
- What is "cogging"?
- What is a "thermal"?
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Can I run a
different brand motor from the ESC?
- What is a BEC and how can
I use it?
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If I go brushless, do I need to do anything to strengthen the E-Maxx?
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All of my batteries have standard Tamiya connectors. Can I continue to
use those with BL?
- What about batteries?
- What about wiring?
- What should I look
for on a controller?
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If my controller has adjustable current limiting, what should it be set to?
- Do I need
to fabricate anything to run brushless?
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Where do I find 4mm and 5mm pinion gears for my large-shaft BL motor?

- What is a
brushless motor? A brushless (BL) motor has no brushes and no
commutator (comm) to mark the timing for the motor. It also has the
magnets on the spindle, instead of around the can (as they are in brushed
motors). Some have described a brushless motor like a brushed motor
turned inside-out. I think that description is a bit confusing,
personally. Brushless motors require little to no maintenance and are
said to maintain their strength and power for as long as the magnets hold
their magnetic pull, which could be many years. Brushless motors are
incredibly efficient, losing only about 15% of electric current to heat.
Because of this efficiency, and the lack of resistance due to not having a
commutator and brushes rubbing, the brushless motor is extremely powerful. A
brushless motor does not have brushes to replace regularly, or a comm to
lathe, so the annoying maintenance factor is greatly reduced or eliminated.
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Can I run a brushless
motor on my current ESC? No. Brushless motors rely on a
microprocessor-controlled timing device and 3-phase MOSFET amplified power that exists only in special brushless
motor speed controllers. These special speed controllers are the most
important part of a brushless system. They are capable of "reading" the
position and timing speed of a brushless motor by sensing the pulses of
current through the wires that feed the motor, and reacting at real-time
accordingly.
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Can I run 2
brushless motors on one brushless ESC? Not for land use. Since the
electronic speed controller (ESC)
is so busy reading the pulses of one motor, another motor in the loop would
just confuse it. It's not possible for sensored controllers like the
Aveox to run 2 motors because of the sensor design intended to "read" a single
motor, and although some
airplanes can get away with running 2 motors on a single sensorless ESC,
low-speed control and smooth starts are absolutely necessary in cars making it
infeasible for land use.
- Do
you run two motors in the E-Maxx? You can, but it is not
necessary. Because of the amazing torque and power of the brushless
system, a large vehicle like the E-Maxx can use just one motor system, and
still improve performance over stock.
- How
much does going brushless cost? A brushless motor alone can cost
anywhere from $90 to $250 or more. The speed controller can cost
anywhere from $100 to $500 or more. How much you spend on a system
depends on how far you want to take it. Additionally, stock parts on an
RC car are rarely developed to handle the intense increase of power that a
brushless motor system offers. You will probably spend quite a bit of
money just strengthening drive-train parts, unless you go with one of the
less-powerful brushless systems.
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What speeds can you get with brushless? On average, a sub-$400
brushless system will bring the E-Maxx to around 35 MPH +/- 4 or so MPH,
depending on the setup and weight of the truck. It is possible for a
mid-range single-brushless-motor system to push the E-Maxx to over 40 MPH, and
even 45 MPH with larger single motors and a lot of battery cells. A dual-brushless-powered E-Maxx
could easily gear up because of the added torque of an additional motor, to
exceed 45 MPH without breaking a sweat, and some of the more powerful dual BL
systems are pulling the E-Maxx to speeds in excess of 50 MPH. I, personally, think that
anything over 35 MPH is useless in the E-Maxx, as a monster truck, but I shoot for 40+ MPH, just
for fun. In light street cars, speeds of well over 100 MPH have been
achieved.
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How does the run-time compare to stock? Because of the amazing
efficiency of the brushless motor system, run-time will actually improve,
unless it's geared higher than its optimum range. Even then, it will be
at or near stock run-time, with the additional power of brushless.
- Is there good
torque? I would estimate that the torque of a commonly used brushless motor is
actually about double that of a standard 540 size brushed RC motor. Where you get
much of your power is from the low friction and high
RPM of the brushless motor. A brushed motor may top out at around 25,000
RPM, where brushless motors range from 35,000 to 80,000 RPM or more.
100,000 RPM is sometimes reached by these motors in competition for short
bursts. The brushless motors with lower RPM ranges usually have more
actual torque than the higher RPM versions, which make them competitive in the
overall results. Some of the larger BL motors are torque monsters which
pump out amazing power at even lower RPM ranges, even in the 20kRPM
neighborhood. Finding the delicate balance between efficiency and
current-draw for your car is crucial.
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Is there a special type for the RC car? Kinda'. RC
cars are harder on motors than RC airplanes (airplanes are where brushless motors are
most commonly found). Because of this, the physical structure of the
motor must be strong. Also due to the constant speed changes, they
need to be very resistant to heat damage. The motor needs to fit the RC
car mounting position and should have a standard 1/8 inch shaft for the common
car pinion
gear. From the hundreds of brushless motors available, only a dozen or
so makes will work nicely without significant modification to either the motor
or the car. Of the most popular models, the Aveox RC7 and Lehner car
motors can be used without any modification except for making a small notch on
the shaft for the pinion gear set-screw. Hacker B50 series motors work very well
too, but have some experiences of their end caps popping open. For
these, a dab of high temperature thread locker around the inner lip of the cap
can be used to prevent further openings. Hacker's new C50 series motors
already have a notch on their 1/8th inch shaft and have reinforced super-size
cans specially designed for the abuse of land use, and address the end-cap
problems. Also, many hacker motors ship with a 5mm shaft, so be sure to
look for the motors that specify 3.17mm or 1/8th inch shaft. Or, you
could order specially drilled pinion gears that have been altered to fit a 5mm
motor shaft. Another consideration for cars is the motor's power under
the number of cells you will be running in your car. For example, the
Hacker B50 8S motor runs nicely on 6-8 or more cells. This would be a
good motor for cars running a single battery pack. The Hacker B50 12S
motor, however, would need 12 or more cells to reach potency,
requiring much larger or multiple battery packs.
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What brands of brushless
motors are there? There are so many, I won't list them all, but
the most commonly used brushless motors for use in RC cars are: Hacker,
Aveox, and Lehner. These, as mentioned above, require special speed
controllers. Hacker (Jeti), Aveox, and Lehner (BK) have great brushless speed
controllers, and Schulze comes into the picture by producing outstanding ESCs
that are capable of running these motors as well. There are 2 more
companies new to brushless systems, that should be mentioned.
Team Orion is releasing a sensorless BL motor system and Novak has released their
first sensored BL system designed for light cars and trucks. Aveox and now Novak remain the only BL systems of choice for RC cars, that
are manufactured and supported in the USA. Most others are based in
Germany. Many of the new Hacker products (C50 motor series and Car speed
controllers) are distributed and serviced by Hacker USA in Arizona.
- Who makes the
best system? "Best" as in fastest, most expensive, best
technical/customer support, highest quality and reliability? There is no
way I can answer that question with a definitive answer. From what I've
seen, the most popular brushless motor is the Hacker, and the most popular
speed controllers are probably the ones from Schulze although Hacker's newly
designed car controllers, the
Hacker Master Car Sport and Car Competition controllers are quickly
becoming
the new top-sellers of brushless ESC for land use, due to their nice block case and
built-in heat sink, along with the strong backing that Hacker is providing for
their customers. Because of the high
cost of brushless systems, it's still not a widely visited topic by most RC
car
enthusiasts, and lacks a substantial amount of comparison information. I
will caution buyers to be aware of the lengthy service times experienced by
users of the German Lehner (BK) and Schulze products.
- Where
do I buy brushless systems? Most of the time, you can buy the
system from the manufacturer's web site. There are resellers like
www.aircraft-world.com who may
carry the brand and type you're looking for at good prices too.
- How many
cells do you run? This depends mostly on the RPM per Volt rating
on the motor and it's maximum reliable RPM, but also involves the capability
of the ESC. Since "cells" are rated at 1.2Volts and good cells
put out about 1.1V under a load, you can calculate this
for yourself. If you're interested in a motor that has a max RPM of
about 50,000 and it is rated at 3500 RPM/Volt, then 12 cells would be optimal.
For example, multiply 1.1V by 3500 RPM by 12 cells, and you get 46,200 RPM, which is
within safe and powerful range for that motor. Please note that typical
good batteries will have an actual "measured" voltage of around 1.05-1.16
volts. These actual numbers should be used when calculating the
true RPM of the motor. Consider, also, that the more cells (Volts) you
run, the higher your Amps are, so your "spunk" or "torque" will be increased
with motor systems that run on higher cell-counts. For example, the
Lehner Basic 5300 and Basic 4200 motors have the same peak RPM capabilities,
but since the 4200 has a lower RPM/V and can run on more cells, it will have
more torque than the 5300. However, in small car applications, the 4200
will have lower top-end speeds on only 6 and 7 cells than the 5300 on the same
number of cells. Also, be sure the controller can handle the number of
cells you plan to run.
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What does the number of "turns" affect? In most
brushless motors, the higher the number of turns = the lower the RPM/V rating.
This gives the motor a higher cell limit. Generally, as mentioned above,
the higher the turns, the more cells, the more torque you get.
- Does my
gearing have to change? Probably. Although brushless
motors have significantly more power than the dual stock motors in the E-Maxx,
most popular models get a great part of this power from high RPM. Different motors and
different driving situations define the number of teeth you should run on your
primary pinion and spur gears. Your final-drive gear ratio does not need
to be changed. Usually E-Maxx folks start with a 14 tooth pinion gear and the
stock 66 tooth spur gear to decide what they need to change to improve it, but
that completely depends on your power plant.
Higher gearing = smaller spur gear and/or larger pinion gear. Lower
gearing = larger spur gear and/or smaller pinion gear. To improve
torque/acceleration and decrease temperatures, you'd go to lower gearing.
To improve top-end speed, you'd go to higher gearing. On the flip-side
of this, some of the more powerful brushless motor systems will actually be
able to have your gearing raised.
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What
is the difference between sensored and sensorless systems?
Sensored brushless motor technology has been around the longest, but it is
still being implemented today because of its flawless control at low speeds
and reliable rotation. Basically, a sensored system (like Aveox) has a
set of 5 sensors and cables, in addition to the 3 power cables on the motor.
These sensors constantly "talk" to the ESC, telling it what position the motor
is in, how fast it's turning, and whether it's going forward or reverse.
This level of necessary communication usually decreases the maximum RPM of the
motor system compared to sensorless systems, but this can be made up for by
making the motor to have more torque. Sensorless systems, like the
Hacker and Lehner, read pulses of current in the power cables to determine
rotation and speed. Because of this, they tend to be capable of higher
RPM, but may suffer "cogging" under a load at very low, starting speeds.
- What is "cogging"?
Cogging, as mentioned above, is a phenomenon that occurs with sensorless
brushless motor systems at initial starting speed, and it goes away immediately after moving.
It's caused by the ESC taking a moment when you hit the throttle to "read" the
motor position and react. It can be described as
a minor "glitching" or "jitter" at the moment you hit the throttle. It can be
decreased or almost completely eliminated by lowering the gearing.
Different ESC's can have different cogging symptoms too. It's hardly
notable if your system is set up correctly, but folks who plan to do low-speed high-power maneuvers like
rock-crawling or intricate and detailed track racing, should consider the possibility of this affecting their fun.
- What is a "thermal"?
Almost all decent brushed and brushless speed controllers have a built-in
high-temperature protection circuit. A "thermal" is what happens when
the ESC's temperature has exceeded the threshold of this temperature, and
tripped the protection. The ESC will temporarily shut off to warn you
that it's getting too hot. Some times this can be for just a few seconds
so you can at least drive the vehicle back, or it could be until the temp has
lowered to a comfortable level again.
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Can I run a different
brand motor from the ESC? Yes. Most sensorless ESCs have
adjustable timing and signal frequencies you can adapt to most popular types
of brushless motors, including sensored motors. You cannot, however, run
a sensorless motor with a sensored speed controller.
- What
is a BEC and how can I use it? BEC stands for Battery Eliminator
Circuit. It is an electronic device on the ESC that emulates a power
supply and uses the main system batteries to power the receiver pack and
servos. With this device, you do not need additional batteries to power
the auxiliary devices like the receiver, servos, and/or lights, etc. It
feeds a steady flow of around 5 Volts to the receiver system. If you run
a brushless system that requires over 10 cells, it is not recommended to use
the BEC feature at all. The high input voltage does not get divided well
and can cause overheating in your speed controller. Furthermore, in the
E-Maxx, the steering servo requires so much amperage to run it, that you can
cause additional heat in the ESC. For over 10 cells, you should run a
separate receiver pack, like the ones found on nitro'-powered RC vehicles,
bypassing the BEC capabilities of the brushless ESC.
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If I go brushless, do I need to do anything to
strengthen the E-Maxx? Yes. The E-Maxx is built to (barely)
handle it's original stock power. If you significantly increase that
power, you will most likely be breaking and twisting drive-train parts.
It didn't take me long for the need to replace all of my wheel CVD drive
shafts with
MIP
steel and center drive CVDs with
SuperMaxx titanium, my transmission idler gears with
SuperMaxx idler
gears and my differentials with
SuperMaxx 7.5
diffs. With the increase in power, even that wasn't enough and
further modification to the transmission is necessary to cope with the power. Note, there are alternate, less expensive strong parts
available for most of this, but replacing these parts with the same stock Traxxas parts will
guarantee another failure at some point. Also, if you hit a tree stump
going 30+ MPH you will break more (other) parts than if you hit it going 20
MPH.
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All of my batteries have standard Tamiya connectors. Can I continue to
use those with BL? No. Brushless systems will draw more
current than your stock motor system at bursts of throttle. It's also more sensitive to
resistance (loss) in your wiring. You should use Dean's Ultra connectors
or other zero-loss connectors instead.
- What about
batteries? Brushless systems are very sensitive to the types of
batteries used. You should stick with high-quality, high-output, low
internal-resistance battery
packs containing brand-name Sanyo, Panasonic, or GP cells for best results.
"Matched" batteries provide the best over-all performance but are
absolutely
not necessary for general use. If your batteries are old or
damaged, it's possible their loaded voltage is not enough to engage or
properly run a brushless motor system. Also, be sure they are getting a
good charge.
- What about wiring?
Wiring is so important that if you're not willing to spend the time to be
sure it's right, you should not venture into brushless power. There is a
very large possibility of a speed controller failure if even the slightest
detail is over-looked. The actual cable used should be of very high
quality and of a thick gauge. I use Deans 12 gauge "Wet Noodle" which is
the best silicone jacket cable I've seen yet. You must also be sure that
there is minimal length in the wire both from the battery to the ESC and from
the ESC to the motor. Trim as much excess as you can while still
allowing the connectors to reach. The solder-points must be top-notch as
well. Be sure there are no air-bubbles and it's not "cold-soldered",
which will appear hazy instead of shiny after cooled. There are 3 wires
between the motor and ESC. It shouldn't matter which ones are in which
order, unless specified by your manufacturer (like with the Aveox that must be
in the correct order). Some use the general rule-of-thumb to connect the
middle wire to the middle wire and if your motor is not spinning the correct
direction, switch the outer 2 wires only.
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What should I look for on a controller? Since the speed
controller is the most important part of the brushless motor system, it's
essential that you use one suited for its application. Light RC vehicles will
not require as much current-flow to spin up the motor under the load, unless
the motor you use is very small and over-worked. Light cars won't need
high-amperage controllers generally. As the car increases in weight or
drive-train drag with larger tires and so on, usually the motor's current-draw increases and so does
the Amp draw needed to spin up the motor under the added resistance. The
controller should increase its Amp (current) capabilities to meet the demand
of the motor. As the vehicle size and drag becomes enormous as with the
E-Maxx, there is a tremendous strain put on the BL system in bursts of
throttle and start-up. In this case the speed controller will need to be
able to handle very high current and the heat created by the current.
Those high Amp, high heat, high cell-count controllers can be quite expensive.
Generally, the greater the Amp rating on the controller, the better it handles
heat as well. Cell-count capabilities are also important. If you
plan to run a motor on 12 cells, you should not use a controller rated at only
10 cells. It may even be a good idea to get a controller that's rated
beyond the intended cell-count for the peace of mind knowing it can handle the
high voltage and extra heat. Other things to look for and consider with
the controllers are whether it has proportional brakes and/or reverse which
may be important to you. Many BL controllers are made particularly for
aircraft and boat applications, which may not be suitable for land use.
Also remember that a sensor-type controller cannot control a sensorless motor,
but a sensorless controller can run a sensored motor. Last, but not
least, your controller should physically fit in a safe, ventilated place in
the vehicle.
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If my controller has adjustable current limiting, what should it be set to?
The current limiter not only protects the controller and possibly the
motor, but can also help to improve run-time. You should start with the
limit set to the lowest Amp level and run it that way to see if it's
sufficient. Regardless of the limit setting, your top-speed will still
always be the same because you're providing the same voltage to the motor
regardless of Amp limiting. If you find you need to increase the
Amp limit, do so in increments until you find a position that is suitable for
your driving needs. Rarely, if ever should you run these types of
controllers with an open limit. If you are at the top setting and still
need more power, it may be time to seek a higher-power motor system.
Don't try to make a system work harder than it's designed -- you will likely
cause a failure in the motor or controller.
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Do I need to
fabricate anything to run brushless? Normally, no. But, on
some vehicles, it may be necessary to provide additional heat dissipation or
cooling for the controller. This would include adding heat sinks (like
those found on computer chipsets), or a heat sink type shroud to help spread
the heat out over a larger area, or a small DC fan, or even a combination of
those.
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Where do I find 4mm and 5mm pinion gears for my large-shaft BL motor?
Several resellers stock these pinion gears. Be sure to specify the
pitch and number of teeth you are needing, when contacting them for the gears.
For example, 32-pitch for the E-Maxx.
www.rumrunnerhobbies.com ,
www.maximizerproducts.com and
www.finedesignrc.com all carry those
hard-to-find pinion gears.
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